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| Auteur : | Hill Top [ Lun Oct 29, 2012 12:57 pm ] |
| Sujet du message : | LES CÔUTS ! |
Très instructif de lire cet article de la Presse canadienne : The Canadian Press Published Sunday, Oct. 28, 2012 2:44PM EDT OTTAWA -- The Conservative government that championed the end of what it calls the "wasteful and ineffective" long gun registry can't say exactly how much the registry's repeal will save taxpayers. More than seven months after the registry was officially ended in every province and territory except Quebec, the RCMP is citing a 2008 report -- based on a 2004 costing model -- to suggest the registry's repeal will save somewhere between $1.5 million and $4 million a year. The registry of all firearms cost $7.7 million to operate in 2010-11, the last full year for which information is available. So why are the projected savings so small? Neither the RCMP nor the public safety minister's office will offer an explanation, although the ongoing registration of handguns and restricted weapons must account for some of the difference. "We have nothing else to say on this issue other than what we have provided you," RCMP spokesman Sgt. Greg Cox responded in an email after almost a week of correspondence with The Canadian Press. Nor is the RCMP able to provide any cost estimate of destroying the gun registry data, saying only that it will be absorbed within the national police force's budget. "The staff who are working on the project to destroy the data are RCMP employees who are also working on other day-to-day tasks," Cox wrote. Francoise Boivin, NDP justice critic, believes the government's inability to provide precise costing says a great deal about years of gun registry spin. "If your accountant was answering that way you would fire him on the spot," Boivin said in an interview. "They've got all the information. Problem is, they don't divulge it because they're worried it might not prove exactly the point they've been stressing over and over." Conservatives have claimed for years that the gun registry cost at least a billion dollars, and possibly two. "I don't know who's right on that, but certainly it's north of $1 billion," Public Safety Minister Vic Toews told a parliamentary committee last June. Toews' accounting only works if the long-run registry is combined with the federal gun licensing system -- a matched set under the 1995 Liberal gun control reforms. And as Toews well knows, and some disgruntled gun owners have learned of late as their renewals came up, firearms licences remain firmly in place under the Conservative government. In March 2005 the net cost of the entire firearms program was pegged at $946 million, according to the auditor general. That figure included both licensing and registration. An examination of RCMP annual reports by The Canadian Press shows that in the first five full years of Conservative rule, gun registration cost a total of $48.7 million while "licensing and supporting infrastructure" cost $259.2 million. Put another way, registration cost less than a fifth as much as licensing. Firearms licences remain the law of the land for all gun owners, whose individual long gun weapons are no longer registered. And that's where the highly polarized arguments on both sides of the gun registry debate start to break down. Gun control advocates, and many police groups, argued the registry was an indispensable public safety tool because it allowed police to use the registry database to determine whether weapons might be on a premise. It also helped in the tracing of crime scene weapons. It's important to note the current licensing system still allows police to search a database to determine whether a licensed gun owner -- which equates to weapons -- might be on a premise. Conservatives said the registry was ineffective because it targeted "law-abiding hunters, farmers and sport shooters" and missed the criminals who would never register anyway. They also argued the registry information was so incomplete and out of date that it was useless for tracing guns. Yet the same Conservative government that killed the registry recently brought in new regulations to ensure that as of December, all firearms have unique serial number markings. A release from the Public Safety department earlier this month said serial numbers on guns "contribute to public safety, by facilitating law enforcement investigations when the markings can be linked to information on the last legal owner of the firearm." In short, a government that long complained over the cost of Liberal gun control laws has left the most expensive element in place, while stripping out a weapons database that -- by its own logic -- appears to have some use. The situation may be less dire than any of the impassioned advocates on either side make out. Dan O'Donnell, a Toronto-raised English professor at Lethbridge University in Alberta and relatively recent gun enthusiast, offers an interesting perspective. He has no objection to registering his guns -- "It's not really that burdensome; my car's registered," O'Donnell said -- but recognizes the cultural and practical issues in regions of Canada where family weapons may span generations. Licence applications and renewals help screen out inappropriate gun owners and provide police a more reliable database than the incomplete registry, said O'Donnell. "I would say that the core of the system is that licensing requirement and the basic (gun) storage requirement," he said. "Personally I think that does work, it's coherent and is actually really good." As for the loud, countervailing arguments and spinning of firearms facts, O'Donnell is unimpressed. "I think it's a question of misunderstanding that has been exacerbated for political gain and used as a wedge issue," he said. "That scares me a bit. We've got people who just seem to want to stoke anger. And it seems to me if you're going to stoke anger, go stoke anger about something other than guns." |
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| Auteur : | Blaireau [ Lun Oct 29, 2012 9:53 pm ] |
| Sujet du message : | Re: LES CÔUTS ! |
Pour mettre directement le doigt sur le bouton : Ça sert à quoi le registre? Ça empêche-tu du monde d'avoir des armes à feu? Pourquoi justifier la conservation d'un registre, sur le seul prétexte que sa destruction ne sera pas gratuite? Le resgistre des armes de poings toujours valide, sert-il à quelque chose dans la pratique? L'interdiction du port d'arme sauve t'elle plus de vie, ou serait-ce le contraire si elle n'existait pas? L'accès aux armes de poings chargées et fonctionnelles ne devrait-il pas être possible pour les employés de dépanneurs? Pourquoi mélanger intentionnellement plus qu'un jeu de cartes mr. et mme. tout le monde qui ne connaissent rien aux armes à feu? Dans X années si ici au Québec il y a toujours le registre des armes d'épaule, il y aura des statistiques à comparer avec les autres provinces et c'est une vague que les pros registre aimeraient faire dévier. Je me réjoui, même s'il n'y a rien d'actuellement officiel pour le Québec. Qui devra faire acroire à la population que nous avons besoin d'un registre, en s'apercevant que les autres provinces sont égales ou moins pire que le Québec? Qui devra se justifier? Qui perdra la face? Qui verra sa crédibilité baisser? Mr. et mme. tout le monde voudront-ils toujours d'un registre? Un parti politique provincial quelconque n'en profitera t'il pas, côté capital politique, pour promettre la destruction du registre provincial s'il est porté au pouvoir? Un registre provincial fera éternelement face à la destruction, seul le temps le détruira c'est garantie. Les plus belles années des pros registre sont passées. Ça été un peu plus vite que je ne le croyais. Quand Lépine a fait sa connerie, je me suis dit qu'on en aurait pour une quarantaine d'années. Pour le reste du pays c'est fini, on tourne la page. Ici au Québec probable qu'on se rende en 2029, mais au moins ça ne sera pas éternel. Le reste du pays sera là pour qu'on se compare à lui et qu'on s'aperçoive que notre registre ne nous a jamais rien donné. |
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| Auteur : | lucky72 [ Mar Oct 30, 2012 8:16 am ] |
| Sujet du message : | Re: LES CÔUTS ! |
je crois que tu es pesimist, le registre partira au Quebec bien avant 2029. le registre a ete creer comme un show the boucane pour apaiser la peur et la douleur et repartira comme une eclaire puisque la verite et plus presente dans les media. |
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